Forum Diary - Updates, Rumours and General Comment

Wednesday 10th January 2000

Just had a quick note from the Save the Tub people, the meeting is at 7.00pm on 23rd January 2001, not at 6.00 as previously reported.


Tuesday 9th January 2001

Short update again today, busy busy busy! I must correct an error - the Tub meeting is on the 23rd at 6.00pm, not the 24th as previously noted. Please turn up if you care about this.


Friday 5th January 2001

Happy New Year to you all.

Hope everybody had a great holiday.

We're back raring to go and things are hotting up. First of all, we need volunteers to gather information. You should be over 18, live in Gorton, be prepared to conduct interviews in the community and be free to undertake a day's training on the 7th Feb. Expenses will be paid and there might well be further opportunities arising. The deadline for applications is 30th January, application forms can be obtained from the Forum.


The Campaign to save the tub is gathering momentum. They have a lot of support and are holding their next meeting on 24th January. Check out their website Here People are awakening to the fact that they can make a difference. Gorton Rising? you can bank on it!


Short update today, more soon, I promise


Tuesday 19th December 2000

Christmas is coming and the goose is getting cooked ..... well the goose that is the Gorton Tub anyway :) I hear that there are now 900 signatures on the petition to save the Tub, and there is a well orchestrated campaign to back this. I have heard that there is a meeting at Gorton North Neighbourhood Office on Thursday 21st December for anybody who is interested. Don't know the time, but assume about 7.00pm. . This is probably a good time to attend such a meeting, as everybody who wants to see the Tub closed will almost certainly be seen hob-nobbing with the great and good at Gerald Kaufman's Christmas Party which is on the same night. I might just be cheeky and go to both :)
Actually, there are very good reasons why the Tub should not close, here are some of them:-
1. It is the only facility of its type in the area. It also houses the only walk in pool within a much greater radius. This is an invaluable resource for those who are unable to enter a conventional pool, and is seen as an asset by many health professionals, indeed people are sent there from many outlying districts, in some cases their entry fees are paid by their local health authority (Stockport I am told does this).
2. It is well patronised. It has taken some time, but numbers are up. There are more and more people using the Tub. The problem is that it was closed for six months following the fire, and I am told that the attendance figures for this period (zero) have been included in the overall analysis which states that the facility is under utilised.
3. Local people do not want it to close. There is nowhere else for them to go which doesn't involve them travelling a considerable distance, usually on unreliable, dirty and expensive public transport with a change of buses and/or a considerable walk. Many families in the area cannot justify the extra expense and as a consequence will miss out altogether rather than taking the alternative.
4. Nobody has been properly consulted. I have it on good authority that the decision has already been made to close the Tub and turn it into a dry facility. (as posted last Wednesday). The consultation arrived last Wednesday. QED.
We are aware that there are plans afoot to update and extend the swimming facilities at Wright Robinson. Nobody is particularly excited by this prospect. This would be just as difficult to get access to as any other alternative for most of the people in Gorton, especially those who depend on public transport. Of course, it wouldn't be a surprise to find out that the people responsible for all this nonsense have never actually been here. Sometimes I wonder whether they have actually visited planet Earth at all. Best Value?? Do me a favour.


Thursday 14th December 2000

This must be a record, two updates in two days :)
The Gore Brook Valley Conservation Area will benefit by up to £45,000. Up to £25,000 will come from the Gorton Heritage Trail Action Group who, for the second year running have secured CAS:H funding for improvements to the trail, boosted this year by funding from the Gorton Renewal Team. This will be used on path and environmental improvements in Brookfield Churchyard and on Far Lane Green, with lighting improvements along the Old Salt Road in the Fox Fold area.
The other £15-£20,000 has been earmarked by the Environment and Development Department to herald the publication of the Conservation Area Strategy. For further information, contact the Forum or check out the official website


I Have been getting curious about the number of people who are reading this site, so I had a look through the logs today. It's a gratifying experience to know that there are people who actually come here and read this stuff, I thank you both :)


Wednesday 13th December 2000

Oh dear, missed last week's update, must be pressure of work. Well, whatever, on with the news ...
It looks like there is movement on the district centre at last. I hear that the CWS have at last sold on their interest, or are in the process of doing so. We do not, however, know who they are dealing with. We have heard that Morrisons were involved but that they have pulled out.
What we do know is that the guarantee given by Manchester Markets re the Market will be upheld, that there will be a market in Gorton whatever happens. It is almost certain that the market will not remain exactly where it is, though, to allow for changes in the layout of the district centre, and this is generally seen to be a good thing by many of us, as long as it remains in the general area, is accessible to the public and visible to users of Hyde Road.
Of course this does not take away the fact that the market is in a bit of a crisis, or will be soon, with rumours abounding that many of the Traders will be pulling out of Gorton after Christmas. It is well known here that there has been a decline in the market for a long time, and that this has accellerated over the last few months until there have, on some days been no more than six stalls in evidence. This is clearly bad news, and there are a lot of factors which have contributed to this, many of which are not local issues, but apply to markets everywhere (for instance the impact of supermarkets and out of town shopping, and of Sunday markets such as Smithfield). Having said that, there are a number of local factors which can be addressed and it is hoped that the company which has been brought in to oversee the markets will be able to use their vast experience in the field to bring about a resurgence. We need a market, we want a market, and if the market is properly presented, accessible, clean, safe and secure for shoppers and traders alike, then people will shop there.


The Tub , it appears, is definitely going to cease to be a swimming facility. It seems that there has been consultation about this and that this is what the people want ... a dry play area with no pool. I'd love to know who in Gorton was consulted, because we have been unable to track down anybody who has any knowledge of such a consultation. Of course it may well be the same people who were consulted about the New Deal and SRB areas, if so, we'd like to ask them a few questions ... :)
We have been told that local councillors presented a petition in protest at the closure of the pool, which has been ignored. So that's at least three hundred people who have not been consulted then...
Oddly enough, we received a letter from the Executive Member for Culture and Leisure this week. This is a response to a questionnaire that was filled in early this year, re the future of indoor leisure. Now to cut a long story short, this is setting out a second stage consultation on the basis of the responses. It clearly states that
"views are being sought by the City Council on this vision for Sport and Recreation and the facility mix as set down in the paper"
Now then, Page two of the consultation document outlines
The Vision
"To provide more sport and recreation opportunities for more people, more strategically and more cost effectively."
there is much more about how this is to be delivered, but the most interesting bit appears at the bottom of page 2
"What does this mean for your existing Manchester Leisure Facility?
Improved community activities, greater provision for sports development programmes and local sports clubs and strengthened facility management are proposed together with the following physical improvements to create more attractive leisure environments"

Now this is very good, but where does the closing of the Tub figure in the above? Improve community activity by removing the only wet leisure facility in the area? Don't think so. Not that this is cited, remember this is a consultation document, and therefore feedback is being asked for on proposals to make physical changes. These are listed on page three of the document and the entry for the Tub (Neptune's Kingdom) reads;
"Potential conversion for dry sports or other community use to be investigated"
Note the words "Potential" and "investigated". Hmmm.
So what's going on here? On the one hand we're being told by a Gorton Councillor that the Tub will be closed and turned into a dry play area and that a petition opposing this has been ignored, that this will happen because people have been consulted and agreed that this is the way forward for the Tub.
On the other hand, we have had a reply to a consultation on leisure generally, in which views are being solicited on proposals to investigate changes to the very same facility.
If we are to believe the latter then the consultation process is going ahead and any plans for the Tub have not been finalised, as is proper until consultation is complete and the terms of Best value have been met. This would presumably take into account any petition to save the Tub as a leisure pool, and also any replies to the consultation document such as the one I have e-mailed today (and which contains the body of this article). If we are to believe the former, then the whole consultation process is a joke, a sham designed to pay lip service to the notion of Best Value, which is in itself totally discredited as a result.
So, again we pose the question, who is right in this? We deserve to be told. Whatever answer we get (if any) will do somebody no credit at all. We will keep you informed.


The fight for Hyde Road continues. In reply to our latest missive regarding the latest accident at Reddish Bridge, a council officer stated that as far as they were concerned, there had been no recent fatality, but that they would "update the accident database" and get back to us ......


And our appeal to the Secretary of State about the rock crushing nightmare at Ashbury Railway sidings has been rejected. Apparently the City Council have looked into it and are satisfied that there is no impact on the community. So that's allright then.


And finally... I've decided to archive the stuff which has previously appeared on this page, just in case anybody wants to check up on what we were saying last week :) You can find it Here
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